Janet van Dyne, a founding member of the Avengers and the person who gave it its name, appears to have been erased from the MCU. Not in the roster when Avengers came out back in 2012, Jan was set for another opportunity to be a part of the team when Marvel announced Ant-Man. Unfortunately, from the announcements yesterday, Jan van Dyne was not even mentioned but someone else was: Hope van Dyne, later corrected to “Hope Pym”, Hank Pym’s daughter.
At best, Jan will either be a mention or a cameo or an easter egg. She will not be a part of the team she founded, she will not be a superhero. She’s either been swapped out for Hope Pym, who might take up the mantle because Marvel Studios thinks women are interchangeable, or she will be an easter egg at most.
Janet van Dyne, the heart and soul of the original Avengers and of every Avengers team she’s been on throughout the years, has been erased from the MCU.
If that seems like a fucking shitty thing for Marvel to do to you, we’re tweeting out in the #JanetVanCrime hashtag. you can join us and stand up to yet another fucking erasure of a female character. Keep an eye on the #janetvancrime tag on tumblr for panels, livestreams, and links. Please don’t stay silent about this.
You can watch the Ant-Man panel here.
for every credit I want to give Marvel, they turn around and do this crap
as bad as making Victoria Hand a ‘woman in a refrigerator’ since while I never liked how she viewed Coulson or the team, I feel like she was created to be a plot point to a male’s story (hence the women in refrigerators reference)
what the hell, Marvel?
Okay I just want to defend Marvel for a moment. 20th Century Fox owns the X-Men, just like they own the rights to the Fantastic Four, which is why they’re making a reboot like Sony did for Spiderman or they’d lose the rights and those would go right back to Marvel central so they could be included in the franchise.
That being said, whenever Marvel makes a reference to ‘mutants’ they have to acknowledge and pay tribute to the X-Men franchise, currently owned by 20th Century Fox. That’s why in AoS they call potential superpowered people ‘gifted individuals’ when they clearly just have mutant powers.
Another note, in the movie release date thing that’s been spreading around tumblr, they show the title card for “The Inhumans” in 2019, which is essentially Marvel’s reboot of mutants so they can start using that to explain superpowers again.
Jan was originally a mutant with the power to change size, Marvel cant acknowledge the existence of mutants without paying for it. Jan isnt going to be an Avenger.
It’s simple when you think about it.
a) two mutants, wanda and pietro, are starring in the upcoming film, avengers: age of ultron. they are mutants. they are being called miracles.
b) janet van dyne is not a mutant in the 616, earth prime, first comics universe. she is a mutant in ultimates.
c) what are you even talking about
d) are you saying they can’t do size changing heroes because that is LITERALLY WHAT ANT-MAN IS
I shouted a lot when I learned B-Dubs was going to be the only woman on the Avengers team for the movie. I wont repeat what I said, I’ll let your imagination run wild for the home game. Just know this, Janet deserved to be on that team, you could have had her be a SHIELD agent testing Pym particles and explained that Hank was off in the desert testing how to embiggen things with them. You get your wink toward Ant-Man and we’re introduced to Janet who gets to be awesome and fly around and sting the hell out of some Chitari and go right into Loki’s ear and mess him up. You could even have her sting Hulk down the same way. Oh and maybe keep Rhodey around since you went through all the trouble of making him War Machine in the Iron Man sequel that leads up to this. Just thinking out loud here, first Avengers movie.
There’s a version of the script for the first Avengers movie where the Wasp is a present and prominent character. Joss Whedon really wanted to include her, but the script was already so busy with so many characters in the mix, so he (very wisely, I think) opted to stick with heroes introduced in the previous movies.
But Whedon wants Janet van Dyne in the MCU somehow, and I don’t doubt that when we do get her she’ll be awesome.
The biggest hurdle, probably, is that she’s not a top-tier character. She’s difficult to market because she’s not as prominent or well-known as other characters presently in the MCU.
Now people will respond to that by saying “Ant Man isn’t popular! Guardians of the Galaxy is a risky move! These guys get their own movies, why not Wasp?” But they forget that Guardians of the Galaxy has a sassy gun-wielding raccoon in it. That’s anything but risky. That’s a slam dunk.
They also forget that Ant Man made it as far as it did in development because it was a passion project of Edgar Wright’s. Marvel accommodated Wright to make that film happen. He’s a fringe character, but a fringe character that had a powerful creative force spending almost a decade trying to make a movie happen.
Wasp doesn’t presently have that… except for Whedon, obv, but he’s busy overseeing basically the entire MCU. Edgar Wright only had to worry about making one film work. Whedon’s involved in the lot of ‘em.
I’m confident that we’ll see her appear eventually, one way or another. I think it’s very easy to get upset about something not happening right now, or not happening in the way we’d like it to. It’ll happen.
But I also think there’s a danger in saying “The studio doesn’t want to do x! They’re all shitheads!” when one of the guys in charge of the franchise has been very vocal about actually wanting to do x. It’s one thing to say it when a studio person actively says “We can’t do this because women are hard!” but so far to the best of my knowledge nobody at marvel has said this.
There’s a very real danger in assuming malicious intent where none exists. That shit has a knock-on effect and can (and has) actively damaged studio plans in the past (generally I mean, not specifically within Marvel or the MCU).
Ben, I’m going to focus on the top-tier part cause that is the one I disagree with and have some stuff to back it up with. Prior to the movies, Iron Man, Cap, and Thor were not top-tier in Marvel popularity. Spider-Man and the X-Men were, hence their very popular movie franchises.
Now Marvel has always tried to treat Cap, Iron Man, and Thor as their equivalent to DC’s Big Three of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. Which, even DC doesn’t give one of its big three anything in film.
When Iron Man came out it surprised Iron Man fans cause while they may love him, he was always second tier to Spidey and Wolverine. So to make a movie with 3, up until their movies, second tier characters as leads along with Black Widow and Hawkeye who were below Janet if were going to rank them. Hulk was the one with the most social capital prior to Iron Man’s release due to having a popular TV show in the 70s. Cap was mostly seen as a hokey jingoistic character who punched Hitler and fought racist Asian cariactures to anyone in the public who could remember him. Thor was known cause he is from Norse mythology. And Iron Man was best known as a song. That is the kind of popularity we were dealing with when Iron Man came out. So Janet isn’t all that far behind the others when we’re building back then. She was frequently on teams cause she had a visually dynamic looking power and it is super easy to draw a dark little smudge and call it a day in a big fight and it sill works.
She may not have been top-tier but neither were the million dollar Big Three Marvel now has until they gave them a shot.